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    Obama in 2012?

    Post  donslaw on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:45 am

    Like most Americans, at this point, I have no idea what Barack Obama — and by extension the party he leads — believes on virtually any issue. The president tells us he prefers a “balanced” approach to deficit reduction, one that weds “revenue enhancements” (a weak way of describing popular taxes on the rich and big corporations that are evading them) with “entitlement cuts” (an equally poor choice of words that implies that people who’ve worked their whole lives are looking for handouts). But the law he just signed includes only the cuts. This pattern of presenting inconsistent positions with no apparent recognition of their incoherence is another hallmark of this president’s storytelling. He announces in a speech on energy and climate change that we need to expand offshore oil drilling and coal production — two methods of obtaining fuels that contribute to the extreme weather Americans are now seeing. He supports a health care law that will use Medicaid to insure about 15 million more Americans and then endorses a budget plan that, through cuts to state budgets, will most likely decimate Medicaid and other essential programs for children, senior citizens and people who are vulnerable by virtue of disabilities or an economy that is getting weaker by the day. He gives a major speech on immigration reform after deporting a million immigrants in two years, breaking up families at a pace George W. Bush could never rival in all his years as president.

    THE real conundrum is why the president seems so compelled to take both sides of every issue, encouraging voters to project whatever they want on him, and hoping they won’t realize which hand is holding the rabbit. That a large section of the country views him as a socialist while many in his own party are concluding that he does not share their values speaks volumes. . . .

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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  lostsoul on Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:05 am

    That was very well said.
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  fantod on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:16 pm

    Here's an interesting rebuttal (hat tip to Elderta):

    A lover of fairy tales casts Obama as villain-in-chief

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    Post  Guest on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:16 pm

    I am so tired of this horseshit. If people can't get behind this President, after all he has accomplished. Even with the nihilistic obstruction from the Teabagger/Republican party, and the petty backstabbing from within the Democratic ranks from the Blue Dogs, than they deserve whatever fuckedup regressive woman hating, poor hating, right wing whack job that gets elected.

    It's a shame that the rest up us will have to pay that price. I am fucking done with this.

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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  web_geek on Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:09 pm

    Obama has disappointed me in some ways. But I completely fault the GOP and the TP for the shape of the bills he's signed.

    He's still my guy in 2012.
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  Hy Kriemz on Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:07 am

    web_geek wrote:Obama has disappointed me in some ways. But I completely fault the GOP and the TP for the shape of the bills he's signed.

    He's still my guy in 2012.

    Me 2.

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    Post  lostsoul on Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:13 pm

    fantod wrote:Here's an interesting rebuttal (hat tip to Elderta):

    A lover of fairy tales casts Obama as villain-in-chief
    I miss Elderta.

    I had started typing a fairly (too) long reply to this, but then I lost it after setting it aside. Without getting into the details, I kind of agree with both the original editorial and the response above. I do acknowledge Obama's achievements in the face of incredible stonewalling and slander, but I also think it's fair to say that while they may share the same general philosophy, Candidate Obama and President Obama have vastly different rhetorical personalities and strategies.
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  donslaw on Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:10 pm

    lostsoul wrote: Candidate Obama and President Obama have vastly different rhetorical personalities and strategies.

    I agree - but it's approaching Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde!
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    Post  web_geek on Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:49 am

    donslaw wrote:
    lostsoul wrote: Candidate Obama and President Obama have vastly different rhetorical personalities and strategies.

    I agree - but it's approaching Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde!

    Yes, yes, yes!

    So do we quit or do we give him a congress like FDR had?

    He can't do shit without it. He needs us to give him a progressive congress and he needs us to 'make him do it.'

    It seems people aren't pissed off enough. And if they are, their anger is misplaced. It's up to us to correct that. Yeah, I wish he'd use the bully pulpit more.

    But when it really comes down to it, we need to be the ones that fight back. We can't just lay down. We've got the Supreme Court against us. Corporate money. Lobbyists for those big corporations. Huge obstacles. But I will NEVER give up. It's all local. Get in there.




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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  donslaw on Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:07 pm

    I almost revived the DEMS CAVE thread, but WTF!

    Obama Jobs Speech Thursday Night: President Gives In To Boehner Over Congress Joint Session Address
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    Who the eff is advising him? Compromise, my ass!! Why not simply state, "Eff You, Boehner, I'll give the speech from the Oval Office and point out that you and your 'party' care more about your little debate than you care about the American people!"

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    Post  lostsoul on Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:19 pm

    I'm not at all upset by this particular "compromise." It seems that the night the White House requested for the President to address a joint session of Congress and the American people happened to be the same night the GOP had scheduled the next episode of Dancing with the Clowns 2012. So now the speech outlining the President's too-little-too-late-and-sure-to-be-undermined-by-Republican-obstruction jobs plan will happen the next day.

    And it seems that for the first time ever, the media is all over the Republicans for trying to belittle the President of the United States.
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    Post  web_geek on Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:33 pm

    I agree, LS.
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  donslaw on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:03 pm

    the media is all over the Republicans for trying to belittle the President of the United States.

    To quote LS: "too-little-too-late!"
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    Post  web_geek on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:48 pm

    donslaw wrote:
    the media is all over the Republicans for trying to belittle the President of the United States.

    To quote LS: "too-little-too-late!"

    Well, what else would you expect from the corporate media?
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  donslaw on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:58 pm

    web_geek wrote:
    donslaw wrote:
    the media is all over the Republicans for trying to belittle the President of the United States.

    To quote LS: "too-little-too-late!"

    Well, what else would you expect from the corporate media?

    Ummm, "The Audacity of Dopes?"
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  donslaw on Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:09 pm

    Meanwhile . . . .
    It is abundantly clear that President Obama is unwilling to fire back at his critics, who disrespect him and the office of the president. He wants to take the high ground, while his critics are ripping the ground out from underneath him. Instead of taking charge of his agenda, he is willing to let others blow him off to pursue their own.

    When he came into office, President Obama decried the ways of Washington, saying voters don't want to see the acrimony. But they sure as hell want to see a president fight for what he believes in, even if that means losing a battle.
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    President Obama's feeble attempt to engage his foes is angering those who are ready to do battle and have his back. I've heard it from folks in the labor movement, civil rights leaders, women and young folks. And don't be surprised if polling shows that independents want a president who will stick to his guns, even if they disagree with him on policy.

    Americans respond to decisiveness. They respond to a leader who makes clear what he wants and will use the power of the presidency to lead his troops up the hill to take on those who oppose him.

    Right now, it appears President Obama is working to not lose, as opposed to fighting to win. And that simply ain't gonna cut it.
    Read the whole article HERE.
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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  lindanell on Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:38 pm

    Obama Halts EPA Regulation On Smog Standards

    WASHINGTON — In a dramatic reversal, President Barack Obama on Friday scrubbed a clean-air regulation that aimed to reduce health-threatening smog, yielding to bitterly protesting businesses and congressional Republicans who complained the rule would kill jobs in America's ailing economy.

    Withdrawal of the proposed regulation marked the latest in a string of retreats by the president in the face of GOP opposition, and it drew quick criticism from liberals. Environmentalists, a key Obama constituency, accused him of caving to corporate polluters, and the American Lung Association threatened to restart the legal action it had begun against rules proposed by President George W. Bush.

    The White House has been under heavy pressure from GOP lawmakers and major industries, which have slammed the stricter standard as an unnecessary jobs killer. The Environmental Protection Agency, whose scientific advisers favored the tighter limits, had predicted the proposed change would cost up to $90 billion a year, making it one of the most expensive environmental regulations ever imposed in the U.S.

    However, the Clean Air Act bars the EPA from considering the costs of complying when setting public health standards.

    Obama said his decision was made in part to reduce regulatory burdens and uncertainty at a time of rampant questions about the strength of the U.S. economy.

    Underscoring the economic concerns: a new report Friday that showed the economy essentially adding no jobs in August and the unemployment rate stubbornly stuck at 9.1 percent.

    The regulation would have reduced concentrations of ground-level ozone, the main ingredient in smog, a powerful lung irritant that can cause asthma and other lung ailments. Smog is created when emissions from cars, power and chemical plants, refineries and other factories mix in sunlight and heat.

    Republican lawmakers, already emboldened by Obama's concessions on extending Bush-era tax cuts and his agreement to more than $1 trillion in spending reductions as the price for raising the nation's debt ceiling, had pledged to try to block the stricter smog standards as well as other EPA regulations when they returned to Washington after Labor Day.

    A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, had muted praise for the White House Friday, saying that withdrawal of the smog regulation was a good first step toward removing obstacles that are blocking business growth.

    "But it is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to stopping Washington Democrats' agenda of tax hikes, more government `stimulus' spending and increased regulations, which are all making it harder to create more American jobs," said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel.

    Thomas Donohue, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said the move was "an enormous victory for America's job creators, the right decision by the president and one that will help reduce the uncertainty facing businesses."

    White House officials said the president's decision was not the product of industry pressure, and they said the administration would continue to fight other efforts by Republicans to dismantle the EPA's authority.

    But that was little consolation for many of the president's supporters. The group MoveOn.org issued a scathing statement, saying Obama's decision was one it would have expected from his Republican predecessor.

    "Many MoveOn members are wondering today how they can ever work for President Obama's re-election, or make the case for him to their neighbors, when he does something like this, after extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich and giving in to tea party demands on the debt deal," said Justin Ruben, the group's executive director.

    The American Lung Association, which had sued the EPA over Bush's smog standards, said it would resume its legal fight now that Obama was essentially endorsing the weaker limit. The group had suspended its lawsuit after the Obama administration pledged to change it.

    Obama's decision, in fact, mirrors one made by Bush in 2008. After EPA scientists recommended a stricter standard to better protect public health, Bush personally intervened after hearing complaints from electric utilities and other affected industries. His EPA set a standard of 75 parts per billion, stricter than one adopted in 1997, but not as strong as federal scientists said was needed to protect public health.

    In March, the EPA's independent panel of scientific advisers sent a letter to the agency's director, Lisa Jackson, saying it was its unanimous recommendation to make the smog standards stronger and that the evidence was "sufficiently certain" that the range proposed in January 2010 under Obama would benefit public health.

    But the White House, which has pledged to base decisions on science, said Friday the science behind its initial decision needed to be updated, a process already under way at EPA. The smog standard now is to be revised until 2013.

    Whether Obama still occupies the White House at that point depends on the outcome of next year's presidential election.

    Cass Sunstein, the head of the White House regulatory office, said changing the smog regulation now, only to have it be reconsidered again in two years, would create unnecessary uncertainty for the private sector and local governments.

    The stricter limits initially proposed by Obama would have doubled the number of counties in violation. Smoggy cities such as Los Angeles and Houston would have been joined by counties in California's Napa Valley and one in Kansas with a population of 3,000. They would have had up to 20 years to meet the new limits, once EPA settled on a final number, or would have faced federal penalties.

    In his statement, the president said scrapping the stronger smog standards did not reflect a weakening of his commitment to protecting public health and the environment.

    "I will continue to stand with the hardworking men and women at the EPA as they strive every day to hold polluters accountable and protect our families from harmful pollution," Obama said.

    Even before Friday's decision – announced as many Americans were paying more attention to their Labor Day weekend plans than the news – the White House has faced some criticism for its record on the environment. Obama abandoned a campaign pledge to set the first-ever limits on the pollution blamed for global warming, and he announced an expansion of offshore drilling before the Gulf oil spill sidelined those plans.

    However, he has successfully taken other steps to reduce air pollution, such as doubling fuel efficiency standards for cars and light trucks, clamping down on pollution from power plants that blows downwind and setting the first national standard for mercury, a toxic metal, from power plants, all in the face of Republican and industry opposition.

    The ground-level ozone standard is closely associated with public health – something the president said he wouldn't compromise in his regulatory review.


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    Re: Obama in 2012?

    Post  ottozdad on Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:05 pm

    He has become a pod person. Where is the Obama I voted for and who is this imposter?
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    Post  donslaw on Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:08 pm

    ottozdad wrote:He has become a pod person. Where is the Obama I voted for and who is this imposter?

    DITTO!!! Sad
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    Post  web_geek on Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:02 pm

    donslaw wrote:
    ottozdad wrote:He has become a pod person. Where is the Obama I voted for and who is this imposter?

    DITTO!!! Sad

    Yeah, but imagine Perry.
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    Post  ottozdad on Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:12 pm

    web_geek wrote:
    donslaw wrote:
    ottozdad wrote:He has become a pod person. Where is the Obama I voted for and who is this imposter?

    DITTO!!! Sad

    Yeah, but imagine Perry.

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    Post  lostsoul on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:59 pm

    lindanell wrote:Obama Halts EPA Regulation On Smog Standards

    ...
    The White House has been under heavy pressure from GOP lawmakers and major industries, which have slammed the stricter standard as an unnecessary jobs killer. The Environmental Protection Agency, whose scientific advisers favored the tighter limits, had predicted the proposed change would cost up to $90 billion a year, making it one of the most expensive environmental regulations ever imposed in the U.S.

    However, the Clean Air Act bars the EPA from considering the costs of complying when setting public health standards.

    Obama said his decision was made in part to reduce regulatory burdens and uncertainty at a time of rampant questions about the strength of the U.S. economy.

    Underscoring the economic concerns: a new report Friday that showed the economy essentially adding no jobs in August and the unemployment rate stubbornly stuck at 9.1 percent.
    On reflection, I'm hoping the plan is only to postpone meaningful smog control as a political strategy, especially given Obama's upcoming "jobs" initiative. In other words, he wouldn't be sacrificing clean air for jobs as much as sacrificing a politically unwinnable $90-billion clean air initiative in order to soften the blow of a potentially winnable jobs bill vote which is more immediately critical. Does that sound reasonable? I mean even hostage negotiators grant certain terrorist requests. Yes, we'd rather have you grow bored and hungry and just give up, but the hostages need to eat too, and if pizza and beer will keep your trigger fingers on the phone, what toppings would you like?
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    Post  donslaw on Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:50 pm

    Olbermann said that Obama had given a huge gift to polluters and corporations, and had delivered an equally large "whack across the knees" to his base.

    "It seems, in short, to reduce his campaign logic to 'what are you going to do, vote for Rick Perry?'" Olbermann said.

    If you didn't catch Olberman's rant, check it out HERE.
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    Post  donslaw on Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:23 pm

    And now, this:
    Congressional Republicans pursued a strategy of denying Obama support for any major element of his agenda, on the correct assumption that this would make it less popular and help the party win the 2010 elections. Only for roughly four months during Obama’s term did Democrats have the 60 Senate votes they needed to overcome a filibuster. Moreover, Republican opposition has proved immune even to persistent and successful attempts by Obama to mobilize public opinion. Americans overwhelmingly favor deficit reduction that includes both spending and taxes and favor higher taxes on the rich in particular. Obama even made a series of crusading speeches on this theme. The result? Nada.
    Read the rest HERE.
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    Post  donslaw on Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:29 pm

    And this, from Maureen Dowd:
    No. 2 on David Letterman’s Top Ten List of the president’s plans for Labor Day: “Pretty much whatever the Republicans tell him he can do.”

    Obama is still suffering from the Speech Illusion, the idea that he can come down from the mountain, read from a Teleprompter, cast a magic spell with his words and climb back up the mountain, while we scurry around and do what he proclaimed.

    The days of spinning illusions in a Greek temple in a football stadium are done. The One is dancing on the edge of one term.

    The White House team is flailing — reacting, regrouping, retrenching. It’s repugnant.
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